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<blockquote data-quote="tommy dave" data-source="post: 7224" data-attributes="member: 25"><p>there was a really interesting/good article (i think irrespective of your political persuasion) today on the spinoff: <a href="https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/15-09-2021/paranoid-storms-judith-collins-former-press-secretary-on-national-leadership-and-oblivion/" target="_blank">‘Paranoid storms’: Judith Collins’ former press secretary on National, leadership and oblivion</a> , it links this article which i hadn't previously read: <a href="https://www.metromag.co.nz/society/society-politics/the-national-party-death-spiral" target="_blank">Metro — The National Party Death Spiral</a></p><p></p><p>i'm not asking or suggesting that you agree or disagree with the articles in general, but this bit rung true to me (and i don't think it's restricted to the national party!) - you could replace "national" with "labour" in the paragraph following, and maybe the groups referenced - but for both parties the comment about people who are doing things, getting things done, and the out-of-touch and frankly a little weird description of those remaining applies...</p><p></p><p>"Whatever the case, the local school trustees, Rotary chairs, Federated Farmers leaders and other ordinary community-oriented people have drifted away from a party that offers them less influence over their district’s destiny than they have in their day jobs. There are no longer any farmers on National’s board and only one South Islander. It has made National Party activists, and some of the MPs they’ve selected, not just out of touch with the median voter’s concerns but, frankly, a little weird."</p><p></p><p>also [USER=409]@Daley[/USER] - sounds like we get to vote for you in 2023?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tommy dave, post: 7224, member: 25"] there was a really interesting/good article (i think irrespective of your political persuasion) today on the spinoff: [URL='https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/15-09-2021/paranoid-storms-judith-collins-former-press-secretary-on-national-leadership-and-oblivion/']‘Paranoid storms’: Judith Collins’ former press secretary on National, leadership and oblivion[/URL] , it links this article which i hadn't previously read: [URL='https://www.metromag.co.nz/society/society-politics/the-national-party-death-spiral']Metro — The National Party Death Spiral[/URL] i'm not asking or suggesting that you agree or disagree with the articles in general, but this bit rung true to me (and i don't think it's restricted to the national party!) - you could replace "national" with "labour" in the paragraph following, and maybe the groups referenced - but for both parties the comment about people who are doing things, getting things done, and the out-of-touch and frankly a little weird description of those remaining applies... "Whatever the case, the local school trustees, Rotary chairs, Federated Farmers leaders and other ordinary community-oriented people have drifted away from a party that offers them less influence over their district’s destiny than they have in their day jobs. There are no longer any farmers on National’s board and only one South Islander. It has made National Party activists, and some of the MPs they’ve selected, not just out of touch with the median voter’s concerns but, frankly, a little weird." also [USER=409]@Daley[/USER] - sounds like we get to vote for you in 2023? [/QUOTE]
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