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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tristan" data-source="post: 14023" data-attributes="member: 30">not sure on the $12 million program, the main one i remember is the original vsh one and what we see today is the remains of that.imho not a particularly good method but also very limited time, so the results are what i would suspect. others overseas have been running for a very very long time and they might be half way there.even with the "right genetics" i would not expect results within 20 years.</blockquote>

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