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<blockquote data-quote="Dennis Crowley" data-source="post: 6196" data-attributes="member: 63"><p>Yes they have lots of AP2 and a couple of AP1 but there are only 2-3 office staff including Clifton. Ap2s dont have any access to names info etc, APINZ don't get involved in the day to day running of the plan. </p><p></p><p>Is you steven for all your ranting you still can't figure out, no matter how many times you are told, that AFB Board run the AFBPM on a day to day bases, the same as it has for years.</p><p></p><p>Not 1 hive in NZ has ever been burned on notice by APINZ.</p><p></p><p>Steven thinks that because he asks for something he should get it, there is no regard/responsibility to him asking questions, he can ask for any information he wants.(and I have no issue with that)But Steve likes to throw his toys out of the cot when he doesn't get all the info he asks for because he thinks he should be entitled to it. But there are rules that need to be followed.</p><p>A rough guide on how it works.</p><p>As APINZ as a voluntary private organization has lots of info that is not subject to OIA requests, except perhaps by their members.( and they can just call and get it, but it to is subject to privacy laws etc)</p><p>The AFBPMP is subject to OIA requests as it is a levy funded not voluntary organization.(there will be a better term for this but you get the picture)</p><p>Any time APINZ discusses AFBPMP business those parts are able to be requested under OIA.</p><p></p><p>With that said, any OIA request is subject to many reasons as to what can and can not be released, for many reasons, ie privacy act,</p><p>on going legal action, is it a malicious fishing exercise, is the info about to be made public in the near future, etc. etc etc</p><p>When a request is made, someone has to stop what they doing and go find the information, then check it against all the can I/cant I release it reasons etc. There is a process to follow and yes there is lots of time and money wasted because of lawyers interpreting what is and isn't allowed. </p><p>One request which the ombudsman said we should release everything about a a beekeeping business to another, now if the industry wants the data base and all its info to be open to anyone that's a different story, but we not there yet and no we didn't release it.</p><p>So the ombudsman sometimes even gets it wrong.</p><p>Another request was to provide all the names and info on all sites. They didn't get that info.</p><p>So the AFBPMP deals a lot with the OIA requests, and I'm sure we got some processes wrong or missed a few steps along the way and we correcting them as we are either informed (this is a better way to go or you should of done it this way)</p><p>Most requests to date where the AFBPMP felt the requested info was not in the best interest of the plan or levy payers to be released has been upheld. </p><p>But some people just like to stamp their feet and complain, here's a thought, put that energy into dealing with AFB in your own outfits and those around you, and then perhaps we won't need the AFBPMP.</p><p>So to help you all, when you want to request things under OIA as is your right, make it very clear as to what info you after, not as some have done in the past wanting more generalized info.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dennis Crowley, post: 6196, member: 63"] Yes they have lots of AP2 and a couple of AP1 but there are only 2-3 office staff including Clifton. Ap2s dont have any access to names info etc, APINZ don't get involved in the day to day running of the plan. Is you steven for all your ranting you still can't figure out, no matter how many times you are told, that AFB Board run the AFBPM on a day to day bases, the same as it has for years. Not 1 hive in NZ has ever been burned on notice by APINZ. Steven thinks that because he asks for something he should get it, there is no regard/responsibility to him asking questions, he can ask for any information he wants.(and I have no issue with that)But Steve likes to throw his toys out of the cot when he doesn't get all the info he asks for because he thinks he should be entitled to it. But there are rules that need to be followed. A rough guide on how it works. As APINZ as a voluntary private organization has lots of info that is not subject to OIA requests, except perhaps by their members.( and they can just call and get it, but it to is subject to privacy laws etc) The AFBPMP is subject to OIA requests as it is a levy funded not voluntary organization.(there will be a better term for this but you get the picture) Any time APINZ discusses AFBPMP business those parts are able to be requested under OIA. With that said, any OIA request is subject to many reasons as to what can and can not be released, for many reasons, ie privacy act, on going legal action, is it a malicious fishing exercise, is the info about to be made public in the near future, etc. etc etc When a request is made, someone has to stop what they doing and go find the information, then check it against all the can I/cant I release it reasons etc. There is a process to follow and yes there is lots of time and money wasted because of lawyers interpreting what is and isn't allowed. One request which the ombudsman said we should release everything about a a beekeeping business to another, now if the industry wants the data base and all its info to be open to anyone that's a different story, but we not there yet and no we didn't release it. So the ombudsman sometimes even gets it wrong. Another request was to provide all the names and info on all sites. They didn't get that info. So the AFBPMP deals a lot with the OIA requests, and I'm sure we got some processes wrong or missed a few steps along the way and we correcting them as we are either informed (this is a better way to go or you should of done it this way) Most requests to date where the AFBPMP felt the requested info was not in the best interest of the plan or levy payers to be released has been upheld. But some people just like to stamp their feet and complain, here's a thought, put that energy into dealing with AFB in your own outfits and those around you, and then perhaps we won't need the AFBPMP. So to help you all, when you want to request things under OIA as is your right, make it very clear as to what info you after, not as some have done in the past wanting more generalized info. [/QUOTE]
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