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<blockquote data-quote="mischief" data-source="post: 7438" data-attributes="member: 333"><p>Most definitely in order to learn about the pro's and con's.</p><p></p><p>I had to look up what a PETA was....no I am not seeking ammo against you. Obviously, I do need to change my writing style.</p><p>I have learnt the hard way, that its always wise to question everything, especially when you do know just little you know about a given subject.</p><p>Far from knocking your expertise, I appreciated that you actually took time to write something worth listening too and wanted to know more.</p><p>Too many times I have found people quote what they have been told and that this gets handed down as fact, when its not necessarily so.</p><p>Along with that, there are times when it appears that things get done is such a way, simply because that it just the way it has always been done.</p><p></p><p>For a bit of back ground.</p><p>When I realised that it was actually possible for me to manage a beehive, using the long hive system, I read everything I could lay my hands on, up to and including lurking both here and on BS. </p><p>I wanted to know what people were actually doing and how it turned out, (not just read a bunch of books)....for 3 years.</p><p>I didnt just rush out and buy a bunch of bees and muddle my way through. When I felt that I had a good understanding, I bought the hiveware, equipment and then the nuc.</p><p>That was 1st Jan 2017. </p><p>I think I have done due diligence in this regard.</p><p></p><p>Now, I find that one of my hives- the original- is large enough that it may swarm, so I need to know.</p><p>I do wonder what the effects are with preventing bees to swarm, given that it is one way they reproduce themselves and yes, I do feel that they should have the right to do so, if they are in good health.</p><p>It does concern me that the general consensus is that its negligent to allow bees to follow their natural instinct- swarming; and that they are considered to be a health risk-AFB, yet I havent found any supporting stats for this.</p><p></p><p>I do feel that humans are too controlling when it comes to breeding any sort of lifeform and have in the past given examples of how bad it can get- Alsatian dogs for one. (Genetic bottlenecks are also very common with plant breeders.) I wonder if this contributes to the difficulties bees face today. According to the last colony loss report, the biggest cause was queen problems, not varroa or AFB. That disturbs me.</p><p></p><p>I feel that we pay too much attention to what we perceive as optimum and that species like bees would be better off seeing to their own reproduction. They have their own criteria and reasons for doing what they do and how they go about it and yes, I do feel that more attention should be paid to their needs.</p><p></p><p>I have seen those German vid's and even had them downloaded on a previous computer. I do question the 'fact' that they killed their hives in order to harvest the honey though. That wasnt what I observed from watching those vids. </p><p>The missing info in those vids was- what did they do with the colony? </p><p>I assumed that they merely turned the skep upside down, forcing the bees to move up into a new skep, freeing the old one up for harvesting. To me, that makes alot more sense than killing off your livestock. I no longer have the vids to go back and check though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mischief, post: 7438, member: 333"] Most definitely in order to learn about the pro's and con's. I had to look up what a PETA was....no I am not seeking ammo against you. Obviously, I do need to change my writing style. I have learnt the hard way, that its always wise to question everything, especially when you do know just little you know about a given subject. Far from knocking your expertise, I appreciated that you actually took time to write something worth listening too and wanted to know more. Too many times I have found people quote what they have been told and that this gets handed down as fact, when its not necessarily so. Along with that, there are times when it appears that things get done is such a way, simply because that it just the way it has always been done. For a bit of back ground. When I realised that it was actually possible for me to manage a beehive, using the long hive system, I read everything I could lay my hands on, up to and including lurking both here and on BS. I wanted to know what people were actually doing and how it turned out, (not just read a bunch of books)....for 3 years. I didnt just rush out and buy a bunch of bees and muddle my way through. When I felt that I had a good understanding, I bought the hiveware, equipment and then the nuc. That was 1st Jan 2017. I think I have done due diligence in this regard. Now, I find that one of my hives- the original- is large enough that it may swarm, so I need to know. I do wonder what the effects are with preventing bees to swarm, given that it is one way they reproduce themselves and yes, I do feel that they should have the right to do so, if they are in good health. It does concern me that the general consensus is that its negligent to allow bees to follow their natural instinct- swarming; and that they are considered to be a health risk-AFB, yet I havent found any supporting stats for this. I do feel that humans are too controlling when it comes to breeding any sort of lifeform and have in the past given examples of how bad it can get- Alsatian dogs for one. (Genetic bottlenecks are also very common with plant breeders.) I wonder if this contributes to the difficulties bees face today. According to the last colony loss report, the biggest cause was queen problems, not varroa or AFB. That disturbs me. I feel that we pay too much attention to what we perceive as optimum and that species like bees would be better off seeing to their own reproduction. They have their own criteria and reasons for doing what they do and how they go about it and yes, I do feel that more attention should be paid to their needs. I have seen those German vid's and even had them downloaded on a previous computer. I do question the 'fact' that they killed their hives in order to harvest the honey though. That wasnt what I observed from watching those vids. The missing info in those vids was- what did they do with the colony? I assumed that they merely turned the skep upside down, forcing the bees to move up into a new skep, freeing the old one up for harvesting. To me, that makes alot more sense than killing off your livestock. I no longer have the vids to go back and check though. [/QUOTE]
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