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It is illegal to move/transfer ownership of afb infected material.
crape the wax off the frames wash them and send them up to Auckland to the guy making plastic posts out of recycled plastic. The frames would have to be clean and wrapped in plastic so no spread of disease.

Bee Real - I am confused with your comment and maybe I am not catching on to something here. Where exactly does the person that you replied to state that the frames had AFB? I notice you have reacted to that post with a thumbs down sign.

It's not just AFB hives and equipment that need destroying.
 

Grant

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It is illegal to move/transfer ownership of afb infected material.
I am fully aware of a local AP requesting infective hives to be wrapped and transported to a local incinerator (on a site that uses it to power the hot water heating system).
I am also aware of that process coming mightly unstuck when an insecure load was lost from the back of a truck in the Halswell area enroute.
 
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I feel that sometime fairly soon the burning of plastic components from beehives is going to be challenged in a court of law probably by some poor beekeeper being used as a test case. Beekeepers need to be proactive and sort this problem out before someone sorts it out for them.
I still have some plastic frames but haven't brought any for years and all my new gear is wood and wax but I still use plastic top and internal feeders along with plastic excluders. A total ban of plastics in beehives would be inconvenient for me but I could live with it.
Going to plastic frames was one of the biggest mistakes New Zealand beekeeping industry has ever made. Short-term gain for long-term environmental pain and it does nothing for our clean green image but plastic frames are now a fact of life and we are going to have to work out how to deal with the things.
 
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Mummzie

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clean air legislation in some of the urban areas will make it very hard for town based beekeepers to correctly dispose of an AFB hive. Even harder if they have plastic components.
Some plastics give off toxic smoke. Any idea if the hive plastic is one of them?
 

Josh

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clean air legislation in some of the urban areas will make it very hard for town based beekeepers to correctly dispose of an AFB hive. Even harder if they have plastic components.
Some plastics give off toxic smoke. Any idea if the hive plastic is one of them?
I know ChCh is tough, but AFB burning is an exemption. Although I’d apply to wrap mine and take it to a mates place out of town, too much hassle within neighbours in town.
 

Mark Lawrence

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are you sure?
I believe so in Christchurch.
Clean air rules in Christchurch are Environment Canterbury bylaws, but I think the Biosecurity Act trumps them.
When talking to people who have had to burn hives the local fire service seem to allow it once they hear it is AFB (unless total fire ban and then beekeeper must have a discussion with AFB Management Agency about destruction).
 
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It is generally believed that the bio security act trumps the clean air act but it has never been tested in court and I have heard several opinions on the matter. As for plastic frames the smoke is black, stinky and disgusting and I for one would be unhappy if someone was burning that sort of thing upwind from me.
 
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Josh

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are you sure?

At the local AFB course it was explained that we could burn in town, and we could burn during a fire ban. But they'd rather you found alternatives. And because it might take some time to get a decision, you should wrap the hive in the interim to ensure it's not at risk of being robbed

Also the logistics of burning in town are a problem (how many townies have a drum burner? a hole big enough to bury the remains? etc etc)
 
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Considering how the politicians are thinking, before plastic beehive components will be banned, they will first ban beehives from cities/towns/vilages.

There is no good solution here for everyone.
Most likely a majority of the beekkeper's community will go for the ban, however the manufacturing "industry" and those who desperately want to make a big profit (to cover big expences) will vote for the plastic.

On the other hand, if destroying infected hive gear becomes costly (mandatory incineration, transport and fees to an energy plant), we will experince few to no afb reports. Virtually we will eradicate afb.

And finally, imagine those who bought the flow hive. :unsure::unsure::unsure::unsure:
 
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It is generally believed that the bio security act trumps the clean air act but it has never been tested in court and I have heard several opinions on the matter. As for plastic frames the smoke is black, stinky and disgusting and I for one would be unhappy if someone was burning that sort of thing upwind from me.
Maybe mobile incinerators, possibly by the Agency (not even sure if it is possible).
 
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