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What causes and what do I do about a cluster of bees underneath the base (Hive Dr Vented) that appeared a day after a full hive inspection. The cluster is still there three days later. Should I gather them up and put them back in the hive or leave them where they are to find their own way back inside. I assume they belong inside the hive. Any advice would be appreciated.
 
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As this happened right after you worked the hive and the cluster has stayed there, as per Otto it's most likely you dropped the queen on the ground and she is now under the bottom board.

As a new beekeeper it might be hard for you to find the queen and safely get her back into the hive. My suggestion would be to get a piece of timber such as a bit of 100 x's 50mm that could prop the hive up. Lift the whole hive off the bottom board and temporarily put it on the lid or somewhere safe. Then carefully lift up the bottom board with the cluster hanging on the bottom and put to one side. Put the hive back where it was but on the ground, with the bit of wood propping it up where the entrance was so the bees can get in and out normally. Then...

Otto

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I would CAREFULLY collect them up and put them back in. There is a chance that the queen is among those underneath. With a vented floor the bees can smell, talk to etc the bees inside but cannot actually get in that way so can get "stuck" there.
 

Alastair

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As this happened right after you worked the hive and the cluster has stayed there, as per Otto it's most likely you dropped the queen on the ground and she is now under the bottom board.

As a new beekeeper it might be hard for you to find the queen and safely get her back into the hive. My suggestion would be to get a piece of timber such as a bit of 100 x's 50mm that could prop the hive up. Lift the whole hive off the bottom board and temporarily put it on the lid or somewhere safe. Then carefully lift up the bottom board with the cluster hanging on the bottom and put to one side. Put the hive back where it was but on the ground, with the bit of wood propping it up where the entrance was so the bees can get in and out normally. Then give the hive base or bottom board a sharp bang right in front of the hive to dump the bee cluster right in front of the hive.

Over the next little while all the bees including the queen will walk into the hive. Go back in the evening and put the bottom board back under the hive so it is all re assembled as normal.
 
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Paeroa
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Beginner
Thanks guys for your advice.
I am wondering if that was the case, but now I'm wondering if I have posssibly killed the queen during the cluster capture, version 1.
On the first fine sunny day, (that was yesterday), the hive swarmed and settled in the tree next to the hive luckily.
I caught the swarm and transferred it into a new super, but the swarm was gone the next day. I think it went back under the old hive, so I made a bee vacuum, lifted the hive and caught every bee under the hive.
I Transferred them back into the hive and they seemed to settle down a bit soon after. However late this afternoon I can't even get within 5 metres of the hive and they are on the attack. Guess they may be queenless now.
I will have to check again in a few days when they settle down a bit and carefully search for her. Just when you think everything is ticking along nicely, BOOM.
The good news is that now I have a portable bee vacuum.
Cheers
 
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Paeroa
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As an update on the cluster:
On Tuesday with the assistance of a very exerienced bee keeper, we did a vertical split and introduced a queen cell into each box. The next morning
a good swarm in the tree. I caught the swarm again and placed into a new super with a feeder this time. So far they all seem happy and working as normal again. No more clustering underneath the base boards. Now the waiting game until the Q cells hatch and they settle down to placid happy bees again.
 
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