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<blockquote data-quote="Otto" data-source="post: 11809" data-attributes="member: 73"><p>I'll ignore your first point that I have missed the point for now🙂</p><p>Second point, I am not a hobby beekeeper and no, you don't do more treatments in one session than I do in 50 years.</p><p>Third point. If you have read some of Randy Oliver's article you should be aware that he calls what you're looking for the next silver bullet, and I agree with him that at this point in time we have nothing close to this sort of solution for Varroa. You need to adjust your expectations a little. Your current treatments don't work that well so why set the bar that high for an alternative?</p><p>Fourth point. The unfortunate reason commercial beekeepers don't tell you why their oxalic treatments didn't work is that they don't know why. That is the problem with doing a half-assed "experiment" and aborting it part way through. You cannot actually draw any valid conclusions from it.</p><p>Fifth point. "Something like chewing out strips early is a complete fail". Again, you're expectations are unrealistic. Every beehive is different and there are gross and subtle differences between how they will respond. That is why as a beekeeper you need to be prepared to not necessarily treat them all exactly the same. Does every beehive you have always get fed the exact same amount of sugar? Do you put the same number of boxes on every hive and do they all collect the same amount of honey? The only reason beekeepers have the expectation that they can do everything exactly the same with every hive when dealing with Varroa is that our first treatment options were quite close to Randy's silver bullet. Unfortunately, we no longer have that option.</p><p>Lastly. Your point on thymol. I have never used it so won't comment on its efficacy. Given your conclusions from your "trial" with oxalic acid strips I immediately have doubts how thorough your trial with thymol was. And if it was thorough, you have just done exactly what you lament from other beekeepers who won't tell you why their oxalic treatments didn't work. You have said you tried it and found issues. There is no information there that another beekeeper could use as a starting point or to make any decisions from.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Otto, post: 11809, member: 73"] I'll ignore your first point that I have missed the point for now🙂 Second point, I am not a hobby beekeeper and no, you don't do more treatments in one session than I do in 50 years. Third point. If you have read some of Randy Oliver's article you should be aware that he calls what you're looking for the next silver bullet, and I agree with him that at this point in time we have nothing close to this sort of solution for Varroa. You need to adjust your expectations a little. Your current treatments don't work that well so why set the bar that high for an alternative? Fourth point. The unfortunate reason commercial beekeepers don't tell you why their oxalic treatments didn't work is that they don't know why. That is the problem with doing a half-assed "experiment" and aborting it part way through. You cannot actually draw any valid conclusions from it. Fifth point. "Something like chewing out strips early is a complete fail". Again, you're expectations are unrealistic. Every beehive is different and there are gross and subtle differences between how they will respond. That is why as a beekeeper you need to be prepared to not necessarily treat them all exactly the same. Does every beehive you have always get fed the exact same amount of sugar? Do you put the same number of boxes on every hive and do they all collect the same amount of honey? The only reason beekeepers have the expectation that they can do everything exactly the same with every hive when dealing with Varroa is that our first treatment options were quite close to Randy's silver bullet. Unfortunately, we no longer have that option. Lastly. Your point on thymol. I have never used it so won't comment on its efficacy. Given your conclusions from your "trial" with oxalic acid strips I immediately have doubts how thorough your trial with thymol was. And if it was thorough, you have just done exactly what you lament from other beekeepers who won't tell you why their oxalic treatments didn't work. You have said you tried it and found issues. There is no information there that another beekeeper could use as a starting point or to make any decisions from. [/QUOTE]
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