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<blockquote data-quote="Alastair" data-source="post: 11812" data-attributes="member: 13"><p>In my own case my "experiment" was not "half assed".</p><p>I have used oxalic strips on hundreds of hives and results were poor (they killed the mites but the damage to the bees was the problem). Because of this I tried, over several years, various strengths, mixes, and amount of acid per strip, plus various strip types, and various placement configurations in the hives and amount of strips. Never got a consistently great result with any of it.</p><p></p><p>I would use conventional treatments in a few hives at some of the sites so as to get a comparison and almost without exception the conventionally treated hives would out perform the OA/GL treated hives, often considerably.</p><p></p><p>I was already experimenting with oxalic acid before Phil H even had bees, I have given it fair shot. I have worked bees in the apiaries of other beekeepers using OA strips and seen the exact same issues, despite that at least one of these beekeepers was a vocal supporter on the internet of this method.</p><p></p><p>When I tried to get answers some years back on this forum I was just told nobody had seen any problems and I was lying. And then a bit down the track one of the people who told me that said on the forum he was going to spend a lot more money to do his autumn treatment with apivar. Why spend a lot more money I wondered, when he claimed there was no problem with the OA strips.</p><p></p><p>I realise that in all likelihood the synthetic pyrethroid and amitraz based strips will eventually fail us. So for many years I have been working with all the approved alternative treatments, and even a few recipes of my own. We have to do this. But have now got to the point that all this has cost me a considerable sum of money not in the cost of the treatments, but in lost income.</p><p></p><p>Some people don't see the lost income, because you may not miss what you never had.</p><p></p><p>The purpose of this post is not to discourage others from trying, we have to. But after everything I have done and seen, I believe there is a disconnect between what we get told on the net, and reality.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alastair, post: 11812, member: 13"] In my own case my "experiment" was not "half assed". I have used oxalic strips on hundreds of hives and results were poor (they killed the mites but the damage to the bees was the problem). Because of this I tried, over several years, various strengths, mixes, and amount of acid per strip, plus various strip types, and various placement configurations in the hives and amount of strips. Never got a consistently great result with any of it. I would use conventional treatments in a few hives at some of the sites so as to get a comparison and almost without exception the conventionally treated hives would out perform the OA/GL treated hives, often considerably. I was already experimenting with oxalic acid before Phil H even had bees, I have given it fair shot. I have worked bees in the apiaries of other beekeepers using OA strips and seen the exact same issues, despite that at least one of these beekeepers was a vocal supporter on the internet of this method. When I tried to get answers some years back on this forum I was just told nobody had seen any problems and I was lying. And then a bit down the track one of the people who told me that said on the forum he was going to spend a lot more money to do his autumn treatment with apivar. Why spend a lot more money I wondered, when he claimed there was no problem with the OA strips. I realise that in all likelihood the synthetic pyrethroid and amitraz based strips will eventually fail us. So for many years I have been working with all the approved alternative treatments, and even a few recipes of my own. We have to do this. But have now got to the point that all this has cost me a considerable sum of money not in the cost of the treatments, but in lost income. Some people don't see the lost income, because you may not miss what you never had. The purpose of this post is not to discourage others from trying, we have to. But after everything I have done and seen, I believe there is a disconnect between what we get told on the net, and reality. [/QUOTE]
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